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Postfix, Hotmail never arrive

Maurizio Caloro-2
Hello Together

If i send any mail go @hotmail this will never arrive,  but Postfix Log
are here in other thing.
(Queued mail for Delivery)

Mar  4 22:45:26 caloro postfix/qmgr[28159]: BD6EB4159E:
from=<[hidden email]>, size=569, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Mar  4 22:45:29 caloro postfix/smtp[26958]: BD6EB4159E:
to=<[hidden email]>, relay=mx1.hotmail.com[65.55.33.119]:25,
delay=2.7, delays=0.49/0.01/1.3/0.9, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250
<[hidden email]> Queued mail for
delivery)

mxtoolbox have 0 Error on me Domain.
Please for any help iam Happy

regards


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Re: Postfix, Hotmail never arrive

Viktor Dukhovni

> On Mar 4, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Maurizio Caloro <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> If i send any mail go @hotmail this will never arrive,  but Postfix Log are here in other thing.
> (Queued mail for Delivery)
>
> Mar  4 22:45:26 caloro postfix/qmgr[28159]: BD6EB4159E: from=<[hidden email]>, size=569, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> Mar  4 22:45:29 caloro postfix/smtp[26958]: BD6EB4159E: to=<[hidden email]>, relay=mx1.hotmail.com[65.55.33.119]:25, delay=2.7, delays=0.49/0.01/1.3/0.9, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 <[hidden email]> Queued mail for delivery)

Hotmail took responsibility for delivery of the message.  If it never
showed up in the user's mailbox, perhaps Hotmail considers your IP
address sufficiently "spammy" to discard your mail.

Create a Hotmail account for yourself, and send the mail there, see if
it arrives.  There's not much Postfix can do to get Hotmail to not discard
your mail.

Some people advocate publishing SPF records and using DKIM signatures.
Though my mail gets delivered without either, perhaps these would help
your mail not get junked.

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Re: Postfix, Hotmail never arrive

/dev/rob0
On Sat, Mar 04, 2017 at 05:18:53PM -0500, Viktor Dukhovni wrote:
> > On Mar 4, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Maurizio Caloro <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > If i send any mail go @hotmail this will never arrive, but
> > Postfix Log are here in other thing.
snip
>
> Hotmail took responsibility for delivery of the message.  If it
> never showed up in the user's mailbox, perhaps Hotmail considers
> your IP address sufficiently "spammy" to discard your mail.
>
> Create a Hotmail account for yourself, and send the mail there, see
> if it arrives.  There's not much Postfix can do to get Hotmail to
> not discard your mail.

On the idea from someone in IRC, and working in conjuction with a
colleague who was a Hotmail user, I confirmed that Hotmail was
discarding my mail if it had only one Received: header.  Sounds
crazy, and really, it is.  Adding a forged Received: header, just as
many spammers do, landed me in his Inbox.

Go figure.  This was a whole decade ago, so no telling what might
have changed in the meantime.

Oh, and I was also able to reply to his originated mail.  Their
content filter looked for In-Reply-To: and/or References: also.

> Some people advocate publishing SPF records and using DKIM
> signatures.  Though my mail gets delivered without either,
> perhaps these would help your mail not get junked.

I think it's still mostly about IP reputation, which changes very
slowly, especially at big receivers like Microsoft.
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Re: Postfix, Hotmail never arrive

Robert Schetterer-2
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Am 04.03.2017 um 23:18 schrieb Viktor Dukhovni:

>
>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Maurizio Caloro <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> If i send any mail go @hotmail this will never arrive,  but Postfix Log are here in other thing.
>> (Queued mail for Delivery)
>>
>> Mar  4 22:45:26 caloro postfix/qmgr[28159]: BD6EB4159E: from=<[hidden email]>, size=569, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>> Mar  4 22:45:29 caloro postfix/smtp[26958]: BD6EB4159E: to=<[hidden email]>, relay=mx1.hotmail.com[65.55.33.119]:25, delay=2.7, delays=0.49/0.01/1.3/0.9, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 <[hidden email]> Queued mail for delivery)
>
> Hotmail took responsibility for delivery of the message.  If it never
> showed up in the user's mailbox, perhaps Hotmail considers your IP
> address sufficiently "spammy" to discard your mail.
>
> Create a Hotmail account for yourself, and send the mail there, see if
> it arrives.  There's not much Postfix can do to get Hotmail to not discard
> your mail.
>
> Some people advocate publishing SPF records and using DKIM signatures.
> Though my mail gets delivered without either, perhaps these would help
> your mail not get junked.
>

Hi Viktor, seems that hotmail etc has included some new antispam
procedures and now blocks big ip ranges ( i.e Hetzner ) , spf, dkim etc
does not help
i filled out a form to get my servers ip open again , however their
whole new antispam seems somekind broken


Best Regards
MfG Robert Schetterer

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Re: Postfix, Hotmail never arrive

Robert Schetterer-2
Am 05.03.2017 um 09:11 schrieb Robert Schetterer:

> Am 04.03.2017 um 23:18 schrieb Viktor Dukhovni:
>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Maurizio Caloro <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> If i send any mail go @hotmail this will never arrive,  but Postfix Log are here in other thing.
>>> (Queued mail for Delivery)
>>>
>>> Mar  4 22:45:26 caloro postfix/qmgr[28159]: BD6EB4159E: from=<[hidden email]>, size=569, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>>> Mar  4 22:45:29 caloro postfix/smtp[26958]: BD6EB4159E: to=<[hidden email]>, relay=mx1.hotmail.com[65.55.33.119]:25, delay=2.7, delays=0.49/0.01/1.3/0.9, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 <[hidden email]> Queued mail for delivery)
>>
>> Hotmail took responsibility for delivery of the message.  If it never
>> showed up in the user's mailbox, perhaps Hotmail considers your IP
>> address sufficiently "spammy" to discard your mail.
>>
>> Create a Hotmail account for yourself, and send the mail there, see if
>> it arrives.  There's not much Postfix can do to get Hotmail to not discard
>> your mail.
>>
>> Some people advocate publishing SPF records and using DKIM signatures.
>> Though my mail gets delivered without either, perhaps these would help
>> your mail not get junked.
>>
>
> Hi Viktor, seems that hotmail etc has included some new antispam
> procedures and now blocks big ip ranges ( i.e Hetzner ) , spf, dkim etc
> does not help
> i filled out a form to get my servers ip open again , however their
> whole new antispam seems somekind broken
>
>
> Best Regards
> MfG Robert Schetterer
>

form is at

https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl3&ct=eformts&wa=wsignin1.0

in my case it seems that my amount of mail to hotmail wasnt enough to
build a score
the default seems to block ip with no score, which might be ok but
should be overrided by existing spf,dkim ever etc





Best Regards
MfG Robert Schetterer

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Re: Postfix, Hotmail never arrive

Michael-3
On 2017-03-05 10:01, Robert Schetterer wrote:

> Am 05.03.2017 um 09:11 schrieb Robert Schetterer:
>>
>> Hi Viktor, seems that hotmail etc has included some new antispam
>> procedures and now blocks big ip ranges ( i.e Hetzner ) , spf, dkim etc
>> does not help
>> i filled out a form to get my servers ip open again , however their
>> whole new antispam seems somekind broken
>>
>>
>> Best Regards
>> MfG Robert Schetterer
>>
>
> form is at
>
> https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl3&ct=eformts&wa=wsignin1.0
>
> in my case it seems that my amount of mail to hotmail wasnt enough to
> build a score
> the default seems to block ip with no score, which might be ok but
> should be overrided by existing spf,dkim ever etc

I just tested that with my server with a Hetzner IP address. My mail
goes directly into the Junk Folder. My IP address is not listed on any
blacklist and I have SPF in place. So far I had no Problems with Hotmail.

Michael
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Re: Postfix, Hotmail never arrive

Maurizio Caloro-2
Am 05.03.2017 um 16:27 schrieb Michael Neurohr:
On 2017-03-05 10:01, Robert Schetterer wrote:
Am 05.03.2017 um 09:11 schrieb Robert Schetterer:
Hi Viktor, seems that hotmail etc has included some new antispam
procedures and now blocks big ip ranges ( i.e Hetzner ) , spf, dkim etc
does not help
i filled out a form to get my servers ip open again , however their
whole new antispam seems somekind broken


Best Regards
MfG Robert Schetterer

form is at

https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl3&ct=eformts&wa=wsignin1.0

in my case it seems that my amount of mail to hotmail wasnt enough to
build a score
the default seems to block ip with no score, which might be ok but
should be overrided by existing spf,dkim ever etc
I just tested that with my server with a Hetzner IP address. My mail
goes directly into the Junk Folder. My IP address is not listed on any
blacklist and I have SPF in place. So far I had no Problems with Hotmail.

Michael

I have check today, the hole day, if add me email Address .(at)Caloro allowd Address from Domain/Email
option settings from Hotmail so the mail will arrive Hotmail, if this setting are not allowed so no e-mail
from my Domain will appair. But here, are the problem i don't know what Email Address from Hotmail i
will be send.

After analyse any mail that i will become from Hotmail, i see that DKIM are in use.

DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1;
h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bsfdmi+8p1unwVM=; b=tK4f0CP5ay;


now i play with the idea to add the "DKIM" option, at the moment i run with
SPF and DMARC, i never play with the Idea that i need also this Dkim option.

But you here in this Thread have you all three possiblities installed?
 - SPF, DMARC, and DKIM ?

After a quick Search on Blacklisted IP, i don't see me Ip here baned:-)

Thanks for your Answers
Regards
Mauri
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Re: Postfix, Hotmail never arrive

Geert Stappers
On Sun, Mar 05, 2017 at 05:16:30PM +0100, Maurizio Caloro wrote:

> Am 05.03.2017 um 16:27 schrieb Michael Neurohr:
> >On 2017-03-05 10:01, Robert Schetterer wrote:
> >>>
> >>form is at
> >>
> >>https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl3&ct=eformts&wa=wsignin1.0
> >>
> >>in my case it seems that my amount of mail to hotmail wasnt enough to
> >>build a score
> >>the default seems to block ip with no score, which might be ok but
> >>should be overrided by existing spf,dkim ever etc
> >
> >I just tested that with my server with a Hetzner IP address. My mail
> >goes directly into the Junk Folder. My IP address is not listed on any
> >blacklist and I have SPF in place. So far I had no Problems with Hotmail.

I think you are say "my good netizen kept me out of problems so far"

Yes, please be a good netizen. It includes understanding
that Internet citizens can have problems.

> I have check today, the hole day, if add me email Address
> .(at)Caloro allowd Address from Domain/Email
> option settings from Hotmail so the mail will arrive Hotmail, if
> this setting are not allowed so no e-mail
> from my Domain will appair. But here, are the problem i don't know
> what Email Address from Hotmail i
> will be send.
>
> After analyse any mail that i will become from Hotmail, i see that
> DKIM are in use.
>
> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com;
> s=selector1;
> h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version;
> bsfdmi+8p1unwVM=; b=tK4f0CP5ay;
>
> now i play with the idea to add the "DKIM" option, at the moment i run with
> SPF and DMARC, i never play with the Idea that i need also this Dkim option.

Either I read that wrong, or it is just wrong.
You need DKIM before doing DMARC.


> But you here in this Thread have you all three possiblities installed?
>  - SPF, DMARC, and DKIM ?

I understand that question, but that question is wrong / incomplete.

Rewording that question: Will configuration at my transmitted end
grantee me acceptence at the recieving end?

Answer: No, but it increases your chances.



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Re: Postfix, Hotmail never arrive

Robert Schetterer-2
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Am 05.03.2017 um 16:27 schrieb Michael Neurohr:

> On 2017-03-05 10:01, Robert Schetterer wrote:
>> Am 05.03.2017 um 09:11 schrieb Robert Schetterer:
>>>
>>> Hi Viktor, seems that hotmail etc has included some new antispam
>>> procedures and now blocks big ip ranges ( i.e Hetzner ) , spf, dkim etc
>>> does not help
>>> i filled out a form to get my servers ip open again , however their
>>> whole new antispam seems somekind broken
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> MfG Robert Schetterer
>>>
>>
>> form is at
>>
>> https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl3&ct=eformts&wa=wsignin1.0
>>
>> in my case it seems that my amount of mail to hotmail wasnt enough to
>> build a score
>> the default seems to block ip with no score, which might be ok but
>> should be overrided by existing spf,dkim ever etc
>
> I just tested that with my server with a Hetzner IP address. My mail
> goes directly into the Junk Folder. My IP address is not listed on any
> blacklist and I have SPF in place. So far I had no Problems with Hotmail.
>
> Michael
>

Microsofts info mail ( arrived fast today )
said that my hetzner Ip will whitelisted , but only for small
amount of mail until it has a "good" score and it is not a general
antispam whitelisting.

They recommend to get part of
Junk E-Mail Reporting Program (JMRP)

link in the info mail is

http://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsjmrpp&page=support_home_options_form_byemail&ct=eformts

to me that link shows not clearly what to do .....

seems they dont care very much about spf dkim etc from now
( however its noted that it stays helpfull )
and prefer their own practice of scoring


Best Regards
MfG Robert Schetterer

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Re: Postfix, Hotmail never arrive

Robert Schetterer-2
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Am 05.03.2017 um 17:16 schrieb Maurizio Caloro:
> But you here in this Thread have you all three possiblities installed?
>  - SPF, DMARC, and DKIM ?

yeah all full implemented


Best Regards
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Re: Postfix, Hotmail never arrive

Geert Stappers
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On Sun, Mar 05, 2017 at 09:00:17PM +0100, Robert Schetterer wrote:

> Am 05.03.2017 um 16:27 schrieb Michael Neurohr:
> >
> > I just tested that with my server with a Hetzner IP address. My mail
> > goes directly into the Junk Folder. My IP address is not listed on any
> > blacklist and I have SPF in place. So far I had no Problems with Hotmail.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
> Microsofts info mail ( arrived fast today )
> said that my hetzner Ip will whitelisted , but only for small
> amount of mail until it has a "good" score and it is not a general
> antispam whitelisting.
>
> They recommend to get part of
> Junk E-Mail Reporting Program (JMRP)
>
> link in the info mail is
>
> http://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsjmrpp&page=support_home_options_form_byemail&ct=eformts

Visiting that (deep?) link got me redirected
to https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/products/msn

> to me that link shows not clearly what to do .....
>
> seems they dont care very much about spf dkim etc from now
> ( however its noted that it stays helpfull )
> and prefer their own practice of scoring


If Microsoft is the solution, then I want the problem back.


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Re: Postfix, Hotmail never arrive

Maurizio Caloro-2

Am 05.03.2017 um 21:59 schrieb Geert Stappers:
On Sun, Mar 05, 2017 at 09:00:17PM +0100, Robert Schetterer wrote:
Am 05.03.2017 um 16:27 schrieb Michael Neurohr:
I just tested that with my server with a Hetzner IP address. My mail
goes directly into the Junk Folder. My IP address is not listed on any
blacklist and I have SPF in place. So far I had no Problems with
Hotmail.
Michael

Microsofts info mail ( arrived fast today )
said that my hetzner Ip will whitelisted , but only for small
amount of mail until it has a "good" score and it is not a general
antispam whitelisting.

They recommend to get part of
Junk E-Mail Reporting Program (JMRP)

link in the info mail is


http://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsjmrpp&page=support_home_o
ptions_form_byemail&ct=eformts

Visiting that (deep?) link got me redirected
to https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/products/msn

to me that link shows not clearly what to do .....

seems they dont care very much about spf dkim etc from now
( however its noted that it stays helpfull )
and prefer their own practice of scoring

If Microsoft is the solution, then I want the problem back.


Hello Together
Today i have contact Microsoft, but i dont have any News.


"My name is 123 and I work with the Outlook.com Deliverability Support Team.

We have reviewed your IP(s) (w.x.y.z) and determined that messages are being filtered (i.e. sent to the Junk folder) based on the recommendations of the SmartScreen® Filter.
"

I have:
-No IP blacklist (Spamhaus)
-DMARC is good
-SPF is good
-DKIM is good (OpenDkim, 2048, rsa-sha256)
-PTR records is good.
-Barracuda SpamScore = 0.0

but me Email will not appair to Hotmail/Outlook.com, and the mail also arn't visible in Spam folder?!
Please what i need to do ?


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Zitat von Maurizio Caloro <[hidden email]>:

>>
> Hello Together
> Today i have contact Microsoft, but i dont have any News.
>
>
> "My name is 123 and I work with the Outlook.com Deliverability Support Team.
>
> We have reviewed your IP(s) *(*w.x.y.z*) *and determined that  
> messages are being filtered (i.e. sent to the Junk folder) based on  
> the recommendations of the SmartScreen  
> <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/SmartScreen-Filter-frequently-asked-questions-IE9>®  
> Filter.
> "
>
> I have:
> -No IP blacklist (Spamhaus)
> -DMARC is good
> -SPF is good
> -DKIM is good (OpenDkim, 2048, rsa-sha256)
> -PTR records is good.
> -Barracuda SpamScore = 0.0
>
> but me Email will not appair to Hotmail/Outlook.com, and the mail  
> also arn't visible in Spam folder?!
> Please what i need to do ?
You might not like the answer but no one who cares about e-mail should  
use Hotmail or Yahoo. It is purely their decision what to drop/block  
whatever and only they can solve it. Nothing Postfix can do here.

Regards

Andreas



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On 2017-03-08 (03:34 MST), [hidden email] wrote:
>
> You might not like the answer but no one who cares about e-mail should use Hotmail or Yahoo. It is purely their decision what to drop/block whatever and only they can solve it. Nothing Postfix can do here.

Beyond being their decision, they have proven over the last couple of decades to be willfully incompetent.

I’ve taken the step of dropping yahoo.com into the blacklist on my server since I do not feel that I can trust that their email is anything but compromised.

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Sebastian Wiesinger-10
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* Robert Schetterer <[hidden email]> [2017-03-05 21:00]:
> Microsofts info mail ( arrived fast today )
> said that my hetzner Ip will whitelisted , but only for small
> amount of mail until it has a "good" score and it is not a general
> antispam whitelisting.
>
> They recommend to get part of
> Junk E-Mail Reporting Program (JMRP)

Then you had more luck then I had. I am registered with all their
programs and their only answer were:

----------------
1)

Not qualified for mitigation
176.9.75.247
Our investigation has determined that the above IP(s) do not qualify
for mitigation. These IP(s) have previously received mitigations from
deliverability support, and have failed to maintain patterns within
our
guidelines, so they are ineligible for additional mitigation at this
time.

2)

My name is $SUPPORTDRONE and I work with the Outlook.com Deliverability
Support Team.


Your IP (176.9.75.247) was blocked by Outlook.com because Hotmail
customers have reported email from this IP as unwanted.  One possible
explanation for this is the automatic forwarding of unfiltered inbound
messages, including unwanted messages, to Outlook.com/MSN addresses.


Please confirm that your emails comply with Hotmail's technical
standards. This information can be found at
http://postmaster.live.com/Guidelines.aspx
<http://postmaster.live.com/Guidelines.aspx> .
----------------

My remark that my server sent a whole of *3* mails in the last month
before the blacklist to hotmail addresses, none of which was spam, was
not answered. They've gone completely silent.

Ended up buying a cheap VM somewhere else which now relays to
Hotmail. (btw. don't go to Amazon Lightsail for that, they are
incapable to set PTR records.)

Regards

Sebastian

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Sebastian Wiesinger-10
* Sebastian Wiesinger <[hidden email]> [2017-03-08 15:53]:

> * Robert Schetterer <[hidden email]> [2017-03-05 21:00]:
> > Microsofts info mail ( arrived fast today )
> > said that my hetzner Ip will whitelisted , but only for small
> > amount of mail until it has a "good" score and it is not a general
> > antispam whitelisting.
> >
> > They recommend to get part of
> > Junk E-Mail Reporting Program (JMRP)
>
> Then you had more luck then I had. I am registered with all their
> programs and their only answer were:

Oh I almost forgot, I also asked *why* I was blocked and what I
could do, and their really helpful answer was:

--------
As previously stated, your IP(s) do not qualify for mitigation at this
time.  I do apologize, but I am unable to provide any details about
this situation since we do not have the liberty to discuss the nature
of the block.
--------

So I'm blocked, the block can't be mitigated and they will not tell me
why I was blocked.


Sebastian

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Re: Postfix, Hotmail never arrive

@lbutlr
On 2017-03-08 (07:54 MST), Sebastian Wiesinger <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> So I'm blocked, the block can't be mitigated and they will not tell me
> why I was blocked.

Sounds about right.

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