may we suggest ICANN not run that many new tlds?

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may we suggest ICANN not run that many new tlds?

Merrick
in the coming future, everything is a TLD, the cat, the dog, the pig,
the rose, the coffee, the wine, the bike ...
that would be terrible for domain based validation.
we have already too many TLDs today.
may we suggest ICANN not open a new TLD anymore?

regards.
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Re: may we suggest ICANN not run that many new tlds?

Jim Reid


> On 19 Nov 2019, at 09:58, Merrick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> in the coming future, everything is a TLD, the cat, the dog, the pig, the rose, the coffee, the wine, the bike ...
> that would be terrible for domain based validation.
> we have already too many TLDs today.
> may we suggest ICANN not open a new TLD anymore?

The ICANN policy process is open to all. Knock yourself out. :-)

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Re: may we suggest ICANN not run that many new tlds?

Viktor Dukhovni
In reply to this post by Merrick
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 05:58:02PM +0800, Merrick wrote:

> May we suggest ICANN not open a new TLD anymore?

More gTLDs are already planned, and will likely be added soon.  Many are
"brand" TLDs, and are just "hoarded" as trademarks, or very lightly used
exclusively by the trademark holder, so aren't a source of any abuse.

The ones that are "open" for registration by the public, vary substantially in
their abuse affinity.  I don't recommend blocking any outright, but for some
smaller systems with a stable set of correspondents, such a choice can be
workable.

Below, I list most of the current gTLDs along with the number of (directly)
delegated sub-domains (NS RRsets in the TLD zone).  For example, while .goog
has only 121 direct delegations, there are at least 15k 3LDs under .cloud.goog.

This may be useful in assessing how many potential domains you are willing to
risk blocking, but if you are considering blocking, try to look at the SpamHaus
(or similar) TLD worst-offender list, and block just a few of those and review
the list from time to time.

--
    Viktor.

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Re: may we suggest ICANN not run that many new tlds?

Viktor Dukhovni
> On Nov 19, 2019, at 5:31 AM, Viktor Dukhovni <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> If you are considering blocking, try to look at the SpamHaus
> (or similar) TLD worst-offender list, and block just a few of those and review
> the list from time to time.

You may also find useful (a bit dated, but perhaps still relevant):

  Statistical Analysis of DNS Abuse in gTLDs Final Report

  https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sadag-final-09aug17-en.pdf

I must admit that I don't have the cycles or motivation to wade through
it, but perhaps someone on this list does, and might then comment on its
relevance to the discussion in this thread.

--
        Viktor.

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Re: may we suggest ICANN not run that many new tlds?

Merrick
Thanks for the info Viktor.

On 2019/11/19 6:48 下午, Viktor Dukhovni wrote:

>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 5:31 AM, Viktor Dukhovni <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> If you are considering blocking, try to look at the SpamHaus
>> (or similar) TLD worst-offender list, and block just a few of those and review
>> the list from time to time.
>
> You may also find useful (a bit dated, but perhaps still relevant):
>
>    Statistical Analysis of DNS Abuse in gTLDs Final Report
>
>    https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sadag-final-09aug17-en.pdf
>
> I must admit that I don't have the cycles or motivation to wade through
> it, but perhaps someone on this list does, and might then comment on its
> relevance to the discussion in this thread.
>
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Re: may we suggest ICANN not run that many new tlds?

A. Schulze
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Am 19.11.19 um 10:58 schrieb Merrick:
> may we suggest ICANN not open a new TLD anymore?
yes, you can: https://www.icann.org/public-comments
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Re: may we suggest ICANN not run that many new tlds?

Antonio Leding
But I predict it will fall on deaf ears…

Suggesting this is tantamount to suggesting the PSTN not increase the # of area codes or NXX numbers.  Things like this are created as the demand grows…and due to the complete metamorphosis of the Internet over the last last 20 years, demand has definitely increased by at least a couple of orders of magnitude…



> On Nov 19, 2019, at 12:23 PM, A. Schulze <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Am 19.11.19 um 10:58 schrieb Merrick:
>> may we suggest ICANN not open a new TLD anymore?
> yes, you can: https://www.icann.org/public-comments

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Re: may we suggest ICANN not run that many new tlds?

Charles Sprickman

> On Nov 19, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Antonio Leding <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> But I predict it will fall on deaf ears…
>
> Suggesting this is tantamount to suggesting the PSTN not increase the # of area codes or NXX numbers.  Things like this are created as the demand grows…and due to the complete metamorphosis of the Internet over the last last 20 years, demand has definitely increased by at least a couple of orders of magnitude…

I think that’s the wrong analogy. In my web development work, I’ve never had a client say, “hey, to protect my brand, I’d really like to buy 400 variations of my domain!”.

The demand here is all from registrars hoping to sell the same “domain” 50 times, it’s not coming from domain owners.

C

>
>
>
>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 12:23 PM, A. Schulze <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 19.11.19 um 10:58 schrieb Merrick:
>>> may we suggest ICANN not open a new TLD anymore?
>> yes, you can: https://www.icann.org/public-comments
>

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Re: may we suggest ICANN not run that many new tlds?

Antonio Leding
Demand is demand…it doesn’t matter from where it originates….



> On Nov 19, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Charles Sprickman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Antonio Leding <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> But I predict it will fall on deaf ears…
>>
>> Suggesting this is tantamount to suggesting the PSTN not increase the # of area codes or NXX numbers.  Things like this are created as the demand grows…and due to the complete metamorphosis of the Internet over the last last 20 years, demand has definitely increased by at least a couple of orders of magnitude…
>
> I think that’s the wrong analogy. In my web development work, I’ve never had a client say, “hey, to protect my brand, I’d really like to buy 400 variations of my domain!”.
>
> The demand here is all from registrars hoping to sell the same “domain” 50 times, it’s not coming from domain owners.
>
> C
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 12:23 PM, A. Schulze <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 19.11.19 um 10:58 schrieb Merrick:
>>>> may we suggest ICANN not open a new TLD anymore?
>>> yes, you can: https://www.icann.org/public-comments
>>
>